Future site use

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The Purdon & Associates report made certain recommendations regarding the future use options for the community site? Which option do you prefer?

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Ic_relatesdoc Relates to document: Cook Final Site Report A (2.6 MB)

agrant

Jun 06, 2008 05:04pm

20 agree 2 disagree

Cultural and community uses are ok as long as the site is not sold to developers. We dont need more houses or a shopping mall we need a centre for the community just like the school was.

Childcare on the site is good

paRANT

Jun 17, 2008 09:30pm

8 agree 0 disagree

It is finally clear what the school closures is all about. There is no way the governement could have got through the idea that schools should be closed so that the land could be sold to developers. But carry out three consultations over two years (ignoring the community each time) and it can be pushed through before the election.

I have absolutely no faith that the opinions of the community will be listened to in this consulation, just like the previous two consulations. But for what it is worth, I believe that the entire site should be retained for community use and the green space retained.

There are vacant blocks in Cook that are poorly kept by the government with signs up saying they are "Urban Green Space". I would much prefer to lose some of these than the school grounds in the centre of the suburb.

Tower1801

Jun 07, 2008 04:03pm

3 agree 20 disagree

Canberra needs to make much better use of existing infrastructure than it currently does. Large under-used sites which are near good transport links, such as the Cook site, should be developed intensively for residential accommodation. The site would be suitable for both town houses and multi-storey apartment blocks and should be so used.

jessthemess

Jun 15, 2008 10:20am

2 agree 0 disagree

I dont agree. But I could agree to an urban village as I have seen suggested elsewhere. There should be open parkland to retain the feeling of space but limited housing, cafes and perhaps arts and business incubator uses would all add to the place. This could be funded with proceeds from the sales.

Overall I think the purdon reports are ill concieved and lack innovation. These sites are a unique opportunity.

cookres

Jul 16, 2008 06:59pm

0 agree 0 disagree

I couldn't agree or disagree with you jessthemess. It depends on how it is done. You say cafes, arts and business incubator. If done well, they may add to the place. You are right. But I do not trust this administration to 'get it right'. The best hope is for this community to pull together and do it ourselves.

SJP

Jun 25, 2008 10:51pm

5 agree 1 disagree

Anyone with any knowledge of the Cook site would know that Cook has certainly not been an 'underused site'! Prior to the appalling decision to close Cook last year, the school site had the optimum community balance of a virtually full (91%)school, ballet school, playgroups assn headquarters, many playgroups, a full pre school, other community users in the west wing, a large school hall with fully equipped gymnasium that was variously used by community groups(eg tai chi), a great school oval used by dog walkers and family groups, shady willows, and of course, the wonderful playground with shade structure adjacent to the church which was fully utlised by the whole community. The Cook school area operated beautifully as a community hub and there was always someone down there enjoying the facilities. It's hard to think of any suburb around with better use of existing infrastructure than this and its no wonder that the Cook community is bitter about the Government's determination to destroy forever our core community area for the sake of developers. There might be underused sites someone in Canberra that might need some sort of development, but Cook is certainly not one of them. The Cook site is totally unsuited to either town houses or multi-storey apartment blocks! Surely Tower 1801's comments along these lines were tongue-in-cheek!

buddha1502

Jun 26, 2008 05:48pm

5 agree 0 disagree

The open space is certainly not under-used as you suggest. It may not be being used as high density housing but it is a much utilised and very important part of the community. Recreation, exercise and outdoor socialising are also important parts of a happy and healthy existence. I agree that there is an issue of housing shortage within the ACT however getting rid of open parks and childrens playgrounds are not the answer.

cookres

Jul 16, 2008 07:07pm

0 agree 0 disagree

Transport links? What are you talking about??????? Do you think we have a monorail going to the Belconnen Mall via the City? In any case, there is already a place for you Tower 1801. It's called Sydney - you might want to check it out sometime. It has monorails, crowded buses,trains,grumpy, frazzled commuters, cafes late night restaurants and everything.

Project Manager

Jun 08, 2008 11:23am

3 agree 0 disagree

Thanks for the input, we will certainly be taking all comments seriously.

Cheers

Chris Wark (GHD Stakeholder Solutions)

Con

Jun 26, 2008 10:05am

3 agree 0 disagree

You may be taking all comments seriously, but as with the initial school closure 'consultation' the decision has been made at the outset.

Viv Straw says in 'The Chronicle' this week that the current process has been "fairly quiet." I would have thought that everything that needs to be said by the community has been said already.

CLDTLF

SJP

Jun 26, 2008 10:53pm

2 agree 0 disagree

Viv's Straw's development-biased comments in the Chronicle (24/6, p2) do not reflect well on GHD's objectivity nor consultation processes.

The report that there is 'only... a bit of commentary about schools' on this site more likely reflects the failure of GHD to effectively publicise or facilitate participation in this consultation, rather than community disinterest in the future of the school site.

There are significant compliance burdens for participants in your processes: 4 hour evening meetings,various registrations, computer literacy, passwords etc. Given that this is now the third time that we have been consulted, (and ignored), we are all finding it a bit much. We just want our school oval saved, our existing hall retained, and our options for the future kept open.

cookres

Jul 16, 2008 07:39pm

0 agree 0 disagree

SJP, I would like to add I am a late comer to this debate because I read in the Chronicle we would be using the 'closed' school buildings for an arts and community hub. The relief was palpable - until I met a fellow resident whilst walking my dog on the very "site under consultation" who informed me of the Purdon Reports recommendations. I doubt I would have attended the ivitation to have my say at the Cook Community Site meeting with GHD. Who wants to go out from 6pm to 10pm in the middle of a Canberra winter.

Your point about computer literacy, passwords etc is well taken. I would have given up except for my extreme (in bold underlined and italics) concern and my 23 year old daughter's computer literacy skills who got me onto this site.

Having said that - now I am on the site (thanks to my daughter) - it is a good site and well done.

cookres

Jul 16, 2008 07:24pm

0 agree 0 disagree

I would just like to know if the government of the day will be informing us about the 'sites under consultation' before they sell the land to developers or after. Does anyone have this information?

ashleyp

Jun 10, 2008 09:08am

1 agree 19 disagree

These are classic urban infill sites, put low cost housing on them all; this is a chance to do something about fixing Canberras housing affordability problem.

People always compain about government taxes and charges and then complain when they try to minimise them by realizing their assets.

These sites are not needed as schools so they should maximise the return and do some social good as well with low cost houing.

Peter, Atkinson St

Jun 21, 2008 07:34pm

7 agree 0 disagree

This Cook open space is used by the whole of Belconnen. The ballet school, little athletics and dog walking all attract people from a wide area way beyond Cook, just as Cook Primary had enrolments from a wide catchment area. Often there is so much activity that the whole site is in use. Little athletics uses much more than the oval, families play soccer on the school site, the areas planted by the school community are important for many, the church attendees use the playground. This regional hub can be better utilised by the Government acquiring the church car park to maintain that use and building barbeques near the soccer ground and play equipment that the school community built. This will compliment the proposed "arts hub" use, as families that travel to deliver one child to an activity need space to occupy them while they wait to collect and drive home again. This reduces traffic and fuel wastage.

The preschool should be the new location for the playgroup association. It is too small for a community hall but ideal for the Playgroup Association and regional playgroups needing spaces to meet.

This is not at all a suitable site for an aged facility as experience shows that placing them adjacent to public land leaves the residents vulnerable after hours. Alienating the strip between the school buildings and the athletics oval would destroy the cohesiveness of the site.

When are you going to organise opportunities for people to meet in person to discuss our comments? We were told we would be letterboxed but I have checked all week and nothing has been delivered, put on the community notice board at Cook Shops, posted at the school or otherwise advised to Cook residents. I registered with the Purdon survey but have not been contacted about this consultation. I found an article in the Chronicle that said this was the week for consultation, but nothing has happened.

Is this another example of the Government's so called "consultation" where the outcome is decided before we have our say?

Kerri

Jun 20, 2008 05:51pm

16 agree 0 disagree

The Cook community were under the understanding after losing our school that the land would not be sold. Now, the Purdon report recommends selling the land or aged care use.

Leave the land as green open space able to be enjoyed by Cook families. Remember ACT Government there is an election coming and residents don't like being consulted after recommendations are in place!

iliveincook

Jun 21, 2008 05:10pm

15 agree 0 disagree

Keep the open space as open space.

Cook already has a lot of medium density housing. There are townhouses near the shops. There are townhouses on the east side of the suburb. Wybelena Grove is arguably Canberra's best medium density development and it is in Cook.

The area in question is very small. Putting in housing would separate the community ovals (which are not part of the open space being discussed) and the old school playground. The school playground is used heavily by the community and includes a great shade structure put up by the Cook P&C. Many families come to play at both the playground and the open space. Younger kids in the family use the play equipment while kids in the family ride their bikes or kick a football in the open space. Putting housing in the middle would isolate the playground.

Why are we being asked about this when the Cook community has already clearly indicated that it wants the space retained as open space?

debn

Jun 29, 2008 06:54pm

6 agree 0 disagree

As a Cook resident for 20 years I completely agree. Keep the old school oval and the Little Athletics Oval as conjoined open space for best community use of the site.

The apparent proposal to use the existing buildings and school hall for an arts/performing hub and then to build housing/aged care etc near the ovals makes absolutely no sense. Noise would be a major problem. There's no sense putting any kind of residential use development next to a performing centre (with after-hours concerts etc).

bobtheblob

Jul 26, 2008 12:23am

1 agree 0 disagree

Cook should be kept for early intervention (pre preschool)ages 2-4! This will help more with kids in learning in many areas. it will be easy to keep one on one with kids that need the extra help.

pac

Jul 30, 2008 02:21pm

0 agree 0 disagree

I would have to say that the current piecemeal planning approach is planning gone mad, in that it has precluded a holistic planning decision. Consider this scenario. The school buildings and associated land are retained for use as a community arts centre and the remaining land is developed for housing, quite possibly to the detriment of the Cook Oval and the surrounding open space. It is very naïve to believe that retaining all the school buildings for use as a community arts centre will be viable in the long-term. Without doubt, at some stage someone from government will ask “what return are we getting on the millions of capital investment here” and the answer will be very little. The next step will be to knock down the school buildings and put housing development on the land where the current school buildings are, in addition to the first lot of housing. The end result will be no school and an oval with a reduced area of surrounding open space of diminished quality and functionality. Clearly the current piecemeal approach to planning is capable of producing undesirable outcomes.

equity

Jul 31, 2008 07:24pm

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The GHD Report - Comment on Cook school site use

5.1.2 Housing Cook has a more diverse range of housing types than surrounding suburbs and is less socially segregated than most. This helped low socio-economic kids at Cook school.

5.1.3 Implications Comparisons of 20 years ago are irrelevant. The baby boomers kids are now having kids so there will be a further rise in pre and primary school aged kids for the next 20 years due to this demographic.

School closure decisions were made just before release of 2006 the Census data. The objectivity of the “schools closure” selection process was undermined by use of then dated 2001 census figures.

“Infants and their parents represent a substantial component of net migration out of the area (for Cook school) even over the 2001-2006 period”

GHD Cook – Site Report p22 on proposed use

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This appears to be erroneous; quite the contrary as GHD had access to the 2006 data. One cannot tell from Figure 14 what proportion of children are of primary school age. This graph is therefore quite deceptive, as GHD should have taken a count for each adjoining suburb to verify the viability of reopening the school which is the clear preference of parents.

The under-5 age group in Cook actually rose to be greater than all 3 surrounding suburbs in 2006. Cook has a far greater number of young households as follows. There were 351 women in the child bearing 25 to 39 year age group. Aranda has just over half that number at 180, Macquarie 268 and Weetangerra 228. Yet Aranda still has 2 schools!

This is a substantive reason for recommending that the school be retained and reopened shortly. At least check the number of births for each suburb since 2006 to verify the changes going on.