The Process of Privatisation
Votes: 34
The Government has accepted the recommendations of the Owen Report and begun to act on it without allowing debate. There are clearly strongly dissenting views from many in the industry, from economists and from the community.
But what do we get? An announcement by the Premier on December 10, 2007 that privatisation will occur and a decision by ALP faction leaders that they won’t have this considered even by their Administrative Committee or by a Labor conference later this year where it seems clear either would have thrown this out – this is the party that went to the election less than a year ago with a policy on the books of no privatisation!
And it’s clear that this isn’t the Labor right using their superior numbers. This decision could have been stopped by NSW Labor's senior assistant secretary and Left leader Luke Foley ..but he didn’t! He defied his own faction ….why?
Worse still – an asset built and owned by successive generations of NSW residents is to be sold without even a debate in the parliament where even in the Lower House it would probably fail if there was a conscience vote on the matter. This is an outrageous situation and should be a defining moment for those in the Labor Party who don’t agree, to do what they know is right for the long term benefit of the State as opposed to the short term interests of the Iemma Labor government.
The Treasurer who was a former Union leader has unbelievably and arrogantly dismissed the concerns of power workers and the Unions. I say that if there is merit in privatisation then let it be debated!
Regardless of the merit of the proposal the government support for this seems now to be more about protecting the Premier and the Treasurer because a defeat would be untenable for their leadership.
I believe the Union movement in NSW and Australia has been very responsible over the last twenty five or more years in working not only for their members but for the community and national good. It is outrageous the way a state Labor Government is dismissing their concerns which I am sure shared by the vast majority of the community.
adam
Jan 21, 2008 06:39pm
31I'm glad that some body in an authority position is willing to listen to the community. Shame on the State Government for behaving in this grubby manner. Do they really think that they can govern this state in the interests of their factions and private agendas? I am opposed to privatisation but, worse, I am offended by the casual dismissal of the views of the majority of the community. This seems to me to be all about making a quick buck to give something to bribe the electorate into giving them yet another term. Iemma and Costa should think back to a time when they might once have entered politics to serve not to profit - they must have had some ideals once upon a time.
Greg Piper
Member for Lake Macquarie
Jan 21, 2008 08:31pm
8Thanks for your comments Adam - it's kind of gut wrenching to see the way decisions are made. I don't agree with the arguments put up for the privatisation, but even more so I don't agree with the way it's been done.
James
Jan 22, 2008 03:27pm
27I agree, this process is all wrong - it is rushed when there is no economic reason to rush. If selling is a good deal for anyone but those who will make fees from the sale process then why not open up the process to scrutiny - its our assets after all.
sal07
Jan 22, 2008 04:54pm
27This is like selling your house and asking you later - it is just plain wrong. I voted for Labor but would never have done if they had admitted they were planning this. They must have planned it too
monty123
Jan 24, 2008 09:20am
26The whole idea is wrong but agree the process stinks the most. They will not allow a debate because they would lose. The public hates this idea. They have promised this to their mates in the banking sector who will earn obscene fees and who will probably employ Mr Costa later this year when he has delivered. They are welcome to Mr Costa but should leave our electricity assets alone.
Captain Scarlet
Jan 24, 2008 10:36am
23I attended the protest meeting at Newcastle on 24/1. It was inspiring to see Greg Piper's passionate speech alongside the other speakers, about this vital subject. The timing of this announcement, especially after the election was finished is shameful and about as far from democracy as you can get. Interesting how Iemma's new salivating lapdog, the ever position-shifting Ms McKay did not include this policy in her bid to oust former State MP Bryce Gaudry. Shameful behaviour. Thank heavens we have folks like Greg and the other politicians and speakers from different walks of life who have the guts to stand up for social justice. Proud to be one of the 600 hundred, Shame on you Ms McKay for not doing the same or for having a spine of your own about this vital matter.
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Jan 24, 2008 11:18am
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NFlyer
Jan 25, 2008 08:39am
7Although Captain Scarlet may have went too far in calling her names, I understand why he did. She seems to change her mind a lot (or should I say she is being just another puppet?) She misled the public about a group of Newcastle Buses buses becoming part of the Sydney fleet. Then the other day she claims that RailCorp changed the times of some afternoon Sydney - Newcastle claiming that it will "speed" up journey times - it's actually slightly slower.
And wasn't she against selling of power at first, then changed her mind again?
James
Jan 25, 2008 04:43pm
3It would be good to list Labor MPs opposing the sale so the public is aware of their stand. I saw Matthew Morris and Kerry Hickey at the public meeting - are there others? Also where are the coalition on this issue? Asleep as usual??
blakey
Jan 26, 2008 08:57am
3You can add Sonia Hornery and Robert Coombes to that list.
Your Concious
May 26, 2008 11:26pm
1it's like the muppets......
we just can't find where the hand goes ???
Well put Captain Scarlet !!!!
personally, I don't think she knows what's going on, to tell the truth.
Ms Mckay has a page within this site, with nothing on it ????
Why have a page if you are not going to utilise it.
We the people want to know why she wants this sell off, what will the City of Newcastle gain from this sell off, she has a lot of explaining to do, to get the people of Newcastle back onside, people had faith in her & I personally think she has lost a lot of support,
I know I'm one of them that has lost faith in her.
As for Mr Gaundry, he dug his own hole, she can not be blamed for that. If the truth hurts .... Then so be it !!
NFlyer
Jan 24, 2008 06:40pm
8I'm not saying what my view on this subject is, but is their a state government Hansard that says that the state goverment/Morris Iemma WILL NOT sell of the power supply, be it partly or fully?
James
Jan 25, 2008 04:41pm
5I googled it today and couldnt find anything. My guess would be that they have been planning this for ages and would have been careful with their words - you know, statements like 'no current plans' or 'no current intention'. I think that this is such a big thing they should have said it before the election. Not having denied they were about to sell off the power network isnt a defence.
NFlyer
Jan 25, 2008 05:19pm
4I searched the NSW govt. site, and couldn't find any Hansard about this issue dated before the election. Of course they have been planning this BEFORE the election. If a Liberal does speak, I note that they don't say what their views are - FOR obvious reasons! Liberals are more likely to sell off public assests more than what the Labor does - but both main parties are almost the same now anyway.
Greg Piper
Member for Lake Macquarie
Jan 25, 2008 06:22pm
7I am not aware of any government decision or comment on privatisation within the parliament, therefore it is unlikely there would be a reference to it in Hansard. The matter was however well debated in Labor State conference when they defeated the Carr/Egan move a few years ago. From that conference the ALP adopted a policy of no privatisation. Mr Iemma has acknowledged this in statements by saying that it is not privatisation with all infrastructure retained by the state. Of course a 50 year lease would seem to most people to be a clever way around the problem and keeping all the distribution network, overhead and underground cables doesn't make sense without keeping the rest as this part of the infrastructure is aging (a lot of it over 40 years old I'm told) and in need of serious upgrades. The state will be left to upgrade this without the income from the generators and retailers.
Jeffery
Jan 26, 2008 09:45am
21Bang the table - I'd like to bang a couple of heads! It is Australia Day - Advance Australia Fair!!! Ruin NSW undemocratically!!! Mr Iemma and Mr Costa do not own the public assests of NSW - we do - and for this decision to be made without any debate, either by the public or in Parliament, is not only undemocratic it is abhorrently arrogant - makes you wonder what deals are being done under the table. And Mr Costa - you were not democratically elected either - you are filling a vacant position! Thank god I live in an electorate with an Independent MP who is not scared to have a say for the public of NSW. All the knockers of Independents in Parliament can now have a new look at how valuable they can be! Thank you Mr Piper. Let's see some more MPs getting tough on this issue - It is time for Mr Iemma to go and let democracy SAVE NSW FAIRLY!
Dilo
Jan 27, 2008 11:36am
17Wow! You would think governments of Australia would learn what will happen to them if they develop the arrogance of the former Howard Government but it would seem NSW Labor still has no idea. If this continues I look forward to NSW Labor being absolutely crushed at the next election.
monty123
Jan 31, 2008 07:55am
4Crushed by who exactly?? An army of independents led by the Green Party is our best chance
jimbo
Jan 31, 2008 03:43pm
3They don't have to "develop" it - they have had it for years..particularly in Newcastle.
the detective
Feb 03, 2008 01:20pm
4Agreed we do not want a weak-willed bunch of Conservatives who are so disorganised they cannot even beat a Labor govt that was looking like a piece of roadkill at the last election. I support the election of Greens to the lower house to either hold the balance in the house or as they are close to doing in the MLC or to govern in their own right. Lets move away from the traditional orthodoxy of Labor and Conservative in NSW.
mainy
Feb 01, 2008 12:07pm
13It has been a general perception that Car sales persons, real estate agents and politicians were the least trusted professions, well Iemma and Costa has not only confirmed that perception but in doing what they have done now have made car sales people and estate agents look like beginners and pale into insignificance. Atleast car sales people and real estate people decieve some of the people (one at a time) some of the time not all of the people most of the time. The display of political bullying, arogance, deception and contempt for the NSW public defies belief and justifies public distrust. I can only hope that the NSW public can gather in unitity and give these two conmen what they deserve. Iemma stated some time ago he would NOT sell the Power industry and by "leasing" it is a deceptive way by stealth to do just that. When this industry returns continual income to the NSW public why sell/lease the golden goose and if we (the NSW public)really think that Iemma is honest enough to keep his promises with what he said he will do with the money then we deserve what we get. Now what can we sell/lease next ???? Give these 2 guys the message then show them the back door to unempoyment.
nag
Feb 01, 2008 01:31pm
14i thought we all lived in a democratic country that we should be proud of. unfortunately Iemma & Costa seem to be intent on perverting this democratic process by intending to flogg off an asset returning over a billion $ per year to the people of NSW without any consultation or mandate.to sell the cash cow is not only incompetent & uncalled for but political suicide.we must ask ourselves what is there motivation, will they be around for the next election or will they retire with a position with one of there "advisors". i have always voted labour but i will vote these 2 out next chance i get.
NFlyer
Feb 03, 2008 10:00am
7MICHAEL COSTA CLAIMS THIS ISSUE WAS "TAKEN TO" THE PEOPLE
First let me say that if privatisation (or part privatisation) does introduce competition then I say it MIGHT be a good idea to sell the power infrastructure BUT if Costa, Iemma, did actually say that privatisation will NOT happen, then that maybe a different matter.
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Michael Costa was interviewed by a local radio host on Friday, and he was asked why he didn't take this issue to the people. Michael Costa claims "But I DID take it to the people" HUHH? I wish I would have taped it now for the exact wording. It seems as though both Jodi McKay (& maybe Iemma himself) are becoming puppets of Costa.
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LIBERALS ON SAME ISSUES
I have noticed that Barry O'Farrell hasn't said that his government will not privatise energy either. What he has said: "We support what's best for the community" or similar wording.
I noticed that if Costa & Co does sell power off(1) that the money gained will go towards infrastructure in Sydney. Iemma, Costa, Jodi McKay & any other members of parliament that support them, [yells] WHY ONLY SYDNEY? New South Wales DOES NOT end at Berowra, Penrith, Campbelltown or Sutherland.
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(1) Costa was also asked wether that the power infrastructure like poles, etc will also be sold. Costa said something similar to "We guarantee that these items won’t be sold"
Interesting how Jodi McKay (or someone representing her) is a member of this board, yet are keeping quite on this issue, and not replying.
JUST A JOKE THAT MAY RELATE TO THIS
For some humour, Iemma claims that this sell-off will give the government $25 billion, yet Microsoft is offering Yahoo! almost $50 billion!!!
maxwell
Feb 03, 2008 10:21am
2Fully understand the attacks on Costa and Iemma but where does Jodi McKay fit into this. I googled her and see she is a new MLA - but what has she got to do with privatisation, she doesnt seem to have any formal role. I see her name quite a bit on this page, is this just some personal dislike or does she have a role beyond the many other back benchers who will have to roll over on this issue for it to proceed?
It was interesting to read today that Iemma is considering backing down - I dont know if this makes me respect him more or less. Couldnt he have thought this through a bit more - great judgement mate!! What a pratt
By the way - terrible joke!
NFlyer
Feb 03, 2008 12:38pm
2I don't think we are attacking them, just what they do & say.
What does Jodi McKay have to do with privatisation? Because I believe she is one of the MPs that support privatisation, after Iemma & Costa said it won't be sold.
I wouldn't take to much creditability in newspapers, but he said that he is considering, not that he is backing down. Although it's still three years away, I think due to possibly this issue, that the next state elections may be very close.
the detective
Feb 03, 2008 01:14pm
13The privatisation of any publically owned assets has historically been bad for the end customers. Telstra is a case in point. I think the Unions NSW storm clouds are now so ominious for the government we will (hopefully) see a back down. Lets also not forget the effort of unaffiliated community groups who are raising petitions to stop this sale. The NSW Greens are also very determined to stop the proposal. When it comes times to speak up each of us has to make the effort. I have a question of the government on pricing of power. Q: As the price paid for electricity by Alcan and the aluminium industry is a secret in NSW what reassurances could be given that a privatised power industry would not set prices for householders which incorporated a subsidy for big business in order for the power industry capitalists to maximise their return while assuaging big business with cheap and secret deals?
NFlyer
Feb 03, 2008 03:47pm
3QUOTE The privatisation of any publically owned assets has historically been bad for the end customers. END QUOTE
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Um well NO it hasn't. It's also brought competition to telecommunications industry. Any company be it private or public has their good and bad points/service. Busways in Campbelltown for example run routes based on around 30 minute frequencies (& that includes Sundays), yet Newcastle Buses (NB) only offers on most routes an hour or less frequency, while some of NB routes don't even run on Sunday.
As I've stated before Perth & Melbourne have two of the best transport systems in Australia, yet their transport are in the hands of private operators.
I think we should be more concerned about what the quality of service is provided, not who it is run by.
Maxwell you come from Victoria, how would you rate say the frequency of most tram & bus services during the day?
maxwell
Feb 03, 2008 04:35pm
2Dont get me stared on how bad our trams have got lately! I agree that privatisation is not alwaays bad for consumers but it usually is.
NFlyer
Feb 03, 2008 05:06pm
2I don't think Melbourne trams are that bad, they do have a very good frequency usually based around every 12 minutes, and approx. 20 to 30 minutes at night.
admin
Feb 03, 2008 07:35pm
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warrigal
Feb 04, 2008 08:47pm
10The process clearly demonstrates the contempt the Iemma government has for the people of NSW. This is not the first time it has ignored democratic process and implemented policies that should have been debated by our elected representatives - the voices of the people.
Public institutions are not the property of the Labor party to sell off any more than they are the property of this dictatorial government.
Any speaking of dictatorial, would we be any worse off? At least dictators can be overthrown without waiting a specified period!
blakey
Feb 06, 2008 07:53pm
6I'm confused. On the ABC news tonight they stated that the privatisation is going to the Labor conference. Is this a back-flip? If the Labor conference votes for this then surely they will have become a party with no principles remaining
Greg Piper
Member for Lake Macquarie
Feb 06, 2008 09:00pm
5I'm sure the matter will be on at State Conference however the Treasurer has said that it is irrelevent - the decision has been made (they don't need any resolution from the party and don't care anyhow). I can't see how they can get it sold before then, so if not, maybe it can be overturned .... but you would have to think it would be the end for Morris Iemma and Costa
Stuart
Feb 07, 2008 07:45pm
7What should be said about political parties,voting and how the system is supposed to work is never heard. I myself ran as an independent candidate for the seat of Charlton, what I have seen, and the knowledge that I have gathered about coruption on these political parties is a eye opener.
For myself i grew up unions and labor as my father was the president of the trade and labor council in Orange for 20 odd years and the secretary of the ASE. To what these two entities have become is a disgrace and with the other parties have forgotton who we are.
Who do they stand for themselves, what happened to us, what happened to standing up for the people and this is why we have the problem with the power industry.
I for one knew about the privatisation of the power industry, railways and buses before the state election as did our mainsteam media,unions,and Greg Combet as I told them but they didnt care.
We the people were not on their agenda. Well since I did say agenda, you may ask what is mine, to be able to stand and fight for the people no matter what.
Do the people care about how political parties can hide coruption for their own sake, no, the people have already shown that the only things that matter is the party, well how about you, do you matter.
I for one am not scared of these union and party fanatics as that is all they are and their bark is only nnoise and their bite well, nothing there.
IanJT
Feb 13, 2008 07:42pm
3It is obvious that our local labor members are not brave enough to vote down this sell off in Parliament against the wishes of their "bosses". It is about time we got rid of the party stooges and got some local members who are prepared to listen to and serve their constituents. We need more people in Parliament like Greg Piper.
Stuart
Feb 14, 2008 04:25pm
0Yes you are right, and when people start to stand forthemselves then things will happen.
If the people just keep following we dont get looked after.
But for another point if you dont vote at the next election that is ok, will you get fined yes.
Is it legal No.
So for those who do cop a fine i will stand up for you in court and win, it is an amazing thing the australian constitution.
And the power of the state well no really that powerful after all, An illegal government can only show treason and as such one would hope the labor party is very rich to foot the bill to buy back all these assets they have stolen.
IanJT
Feb 14, 2008 07:51pm
1Thank you Stuart - but I believe the right to vote should be respected. If you don't vote you have no cause to complain.
The preferencial voting system should be taught in schools so people understand what it is all about. They would then be better able to determine their own allocation of preferences and not just give their vote to one particular party that has determined how preferences will give them the best chance.
I always allocate my preferences in the manner that I determine, even on the Senate ballot paper.
This issue is probably getting off the point, but my real point is, that we have party politicians as our local members and these politicians are behold to the party power brokers and answer to them before they answer to their local constituents.
Therefore, the Hunter labor members may say they oppose the sell off, but they will vote in Parliament the way the party bosses instruct them to!!!!
cod
Feb 09, 2008 08:42pm
10We are against the selloff of NSW Electricity,this important facility which was built and owned by generations of NSW residents should not be sold. We fully support Greg Piper in taking this issue to Parliament. It is About time the NSW Government stopped selling off our assets & started to govern properly and not further waste our money on short term promises. The Australian Government State or Federal never deliver on any promises properly but seem to support all overseas companies against our own. It is time that every Australian make a stand to stop the selloff of our Australian assets to Overseas Companies and Countries. We need to support our own companies before supporting overseas ones. When all our Australian companies are gone will we then allow Overseas Countries to take over our country too??
wscparks
Feb 11, 2008 03:21pm
4agree
the federal gov must now play a role to reinvestigate all past privatisations and sudo privatisations
transnational corporations role is often hiden but would be invoved in all cases thru agents and so called think tanks
the need for democracy with openness and voteing systems fully undestood abound
note: information is not out there yet,but in enemy hands




